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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 587 for the 12th of

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January 2020 richardsaunders coming to

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you once again from the San Francisco

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Bay Area coming up on this week's show I

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head down the coast down the coast to

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Monterey California where I take part in

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the Monterey skeptic camp and what a

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pleasure that was to participate in that

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event I gave a talk general skepticism

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Adventures of Australian skeptics that

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sort of thing they even bent a spoon we

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hear from susan gerbic and also a new

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friend bud miller following that susan

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comes back to report on an event that

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happened just a few days after and I'd

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already left the area by then the VAX

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bus the VAX bus

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correct because it's creepy it crept

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into Monterey to try and persuade local

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parents not to vaccinate their children

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as it turned out it seems to be only the

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true believers came up to see the VAX

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bus to reinforce their own beliefs susan

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gerbic comes back once again to fill us

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in on this situation and we have a

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couple of reports from local media and

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it's fun interesting that when you hear

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reports that they that they seem to be

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regurgitating very basic conspiracy

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theory anti vaccination rhetoric that

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they've picked up online and you'll be

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horrified to hear how one woman in

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particular wants to give her children

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deadly diseases then to round off the

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show it's Maynard back at skeptic on

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2019 with highlights some highlights

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from the dinner the annual skeptics

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Australian skeptics dinner meeting where

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we hand out the awards well you know who

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won the awards we had those a couple of

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weeks ago but tonight may not chat to

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dr. veeram sharma who was the one of the

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magician's on the night and the emcee

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who wound everybody an up-and-coming

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young magician by the name of proof

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Spencer which blew my socks off and the

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audience socks off she had to collect

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all the socks afterwards brilliant young

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performer and someone who will certainly

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make a name for herself and is already

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doing so and science teacher Sarah Webb

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who has a special message for me well

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that's enough for me at the moment it's

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time for me to put on my running shoes

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and my exercise gear run upstairs go for

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a nice long walk along one of the nature

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trails here which is just delightful

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come back find some toast while I do all

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that I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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now a couple of weeks ago on the show of

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course you heard about the great road

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trip that may not and I took from Sydney

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now I'm gonna nother road trip in

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another part of the world I'm zooming

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down a California Highway well I'm not

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doing the zooming it's susan gerbic

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hello hello everyone and we're off to a

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meetin great for skeptic camp in

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Monterey which is tomorrow what's it all

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about Susan well it's a whole day of

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conference of great talks by mostly

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local people we are in almost the center

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of California and we attract people from

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those two places people come together a

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lot of local people and we just have a

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whole day of conference and you also

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attract people from Sydney Australia I

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hasten to add well we are so happy to

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to it the Sun is setting folks look at

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that wonderful red color over there on

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tonight's first event which is the

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well Susan I've been called really

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things in my life many things most of

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them I can't repeat but hot pick hot

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pick we're looking at the local

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newspaper here and there's my photograph

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is you're the centerfold in the

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centerfold yeah it's a beautiful picture

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of you it's the one I took in the New

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Zealand skeptics conference to do that

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you're we get to be a page and somebody

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weekly newspaper here in town and opened

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it to the centerfold and said hey you're

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that guy that's right there I'm I was

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camp tomorrow we have done a lot of

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local media outreach and this one I

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guess yet I didn't even know it was out

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dinner and someone walks over and says

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and they didn't put your name next to it

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no but it says hot pick oh no no wait

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got an exclamation point says hot pick

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that's gonna be really great so this is

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have some big numbers tomorrow we've in

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mid-50s 55 or so some people stay for

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the whole conference I'm part of the

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thing our goal is always trying to hit a

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hundred this will be our sixth event but

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the 60s so that's very exciting I'm

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sitting next to bud now but I'm sorry

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did I spoil your dinner here having to

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well Susan took it it has to be a good

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shot yes it is yes and I'm glad that

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the aquarium of course yes yeah but

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sitting across well it's a long table

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25 excellent we're all crowded into this

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wonderful pub down near the water here

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social opportunity and one of the

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reasons I love being in The Skeptical

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movement we have a chance to sit down

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have a talk and just have a lot of fun

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what's really real and what's not

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according to the newspaper I might be

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real or I might not be real I don't know

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research so the people can get more

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excellent and is the table of food set

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a few hours this morning setting up

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well folks I'm hiding back here at the

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mantra ray and susan gerbic is engaged

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in a talk now about cold reading giving

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the audience a lesson in cold reading

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which is a great pleasure mark Edward

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grief from vampires and wikipedia some

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demonstrated the premium wine card and

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as we speak so I don't know what's going

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oh the gang's all here

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plan a lot of people from the the day

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are here waiting for a big table I think

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this is one of the great aspects about

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skepticism is it Susan going we just

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much fun to see how people can want to

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stay and hang out and talk even though

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they've got an hour or more drive ahead

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still waiting for something to go wrong

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what's gonna go wrong

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something still has not happened so

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table now saying don't jinx it

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we're waiting but it hasn't happened so

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did you enjoy the day I did I definitely

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enjoyed the day you've been doing is

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outside how does this compare I mean

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it's a much smaller scale but is it

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other than that about the same it's a

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little more intimate is what I'd say

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it's nice to be with a smaller group

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especially Tam is so large that you

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don't really interact with anybody so I

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agree I do like these smaller ones I

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like the mall in fact I like them all

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and I think that more groups should be

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doing these small events it's not that

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hard especially once you've done two or

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three and it's finding the venues the

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hardest part once you've found the venue

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and you get a team of people who can

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kind of do these things and get media

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really how in the media to get some kind

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of present cousins I'm happy because in

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about six weeks or so I'll be at the

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Skippy camp in Victoria I I want to say

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hello to all those people over there and

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we really do feel for you with what's

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happening with the fires and so on and

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your Prime Minister we were very sorry

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and you're sorry for our prime minister

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yeah we know what it's like to have

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representation like that how are you so

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much worse here but I just want to say

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shout out to everybody in Oz and New

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Zealand we we all love you only

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we think think of you all the time the

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earth is only six thousand years old

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that's what Answers in Genesis and the

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Creation Museum say and how can a museum

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be wrong isn't dr. oz just wonderful I

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love today's episode it didn't talk down

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to his adoring audience of women at all

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science has proved that the subatomic

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quantum realm is as real as it is

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counterintuitive and bizarre therefore I

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can use it to support quantum healing

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and quantum consciousness after all how

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can journals like Aquarius metaphysics

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be wrong evolution is just a theory

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after all if we came from monkeys then

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why are there still monkeys we all have

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friends and family who believe these

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and joining me now from Salinas

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California which is a bit strange

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because I was just in Salinas California

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at susan gerbic who you would have heard

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on this episode already as we had the

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wonderful skeptic camp in Monterey hello

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Susan hey Richard but now I'm way up the

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coast and your debt still down there in

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Salinas now I left the Monterey area a

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few days before the VAX bus rolled into

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town what can you tell me about that so

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we were really upset about it I was

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personally it was there on my turf it

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felt really you know made butterflies in

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my stomach kind of upset that they would

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have the VAX bus on Fisherman's Wharf

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very touristy on a day referred to right

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after a skeptic camp it really bothered

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me and the news footage which I've seen

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and I'm going to play it report from the

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news in a moment there it was it was the

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big black Baxter bus with VAX Tritton

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down the side and the idea is that

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parents who think who are of the opinion

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for whatever reason that their children

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have been vaccine damaged come along and

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sign the bus right and say you wish you

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were observing all this right so we were

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you know as I said we were upset about

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having them here and we didn't know

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quite what to do vaccines aren't

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necessarily my speciality so we thought

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well maybe we should protest them or

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maybe we should try to get them to shut

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you know shut down where they had

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wouldn't be able to park at the

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Fisherman's Wharf and then we thought

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maybe we should get ahold of the media

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and have the media show up and so all

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these different things happened at once

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and then we finally you know went

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through a moment where we talked about

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it and we decided that protesting

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counter protesting them was a bad idea

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because these are very aggressive people

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they're not going to listen to reason

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and it would just stir them up more and

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get them all excited in circle the

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cognitive dissidence wagons and

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make themselves more convinced that

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their being attacked the other problem

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was when we contacted the media one TV

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show wanted to go in and film there and

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they wouldn't know if I would go on

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camera and after I thought about it a

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bit I said well giving them any media

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coverage whatsoever is exactly what they

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want and even if they have you know 20

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seconds or two minutes on the TV even if

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there's somebody like myself - has

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something to say you know counter to

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them it's still publicity and it's a win

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for them it's as if they have equal

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equal weight in the media and we didn't

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want to have that so I called the the

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Monterey County Health Department and I

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asked them for advice they said that the

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the vaccination rates in Monterey County

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are some of the best in California

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ninety seven point something for areas

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that are reported so we knew it was

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really strong and I contacted the wharf

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and asked them to not have them there

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but people told me that they have you

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know the right to protest they have the

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right to be there and that we want to

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also have that same right so we couldn't

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have them moved on so what the Health

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Department told me is that they have

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seen these same group of people come to

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their different vaccination clinics and

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things like that and protest them and

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they just ignore them

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they're very aggressive when challenged

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they are a bit like the Westboro

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Baptists if you know who they are that's

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pretty aggressive that's - not the

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health department's but they said that

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these people are not listening to any

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kind of reason whatsoever they believe

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what they believe and that's it so I had

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contacted the media the TV station and

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asked him not to interview them because

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we were afraid that it would give more

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publicity and that only to contact the

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Health Department and you know maybe say

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that there was this bus in town and that

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kind of thing so I went and I showed up

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and sat in the parking lot and watched

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him now they were unable to get a

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parking space at the Fisherman's Wharf

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where they would be very close to where

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the tourists were and they ended up in a

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parking lot at Fisherman's Wharf on a

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Thursday afternoon very far

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from tourists so the only people who

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would have gone to them are people who

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went there to see them so they weren't

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handling handing out any information

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they weren't talking or interacting with

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any tourists or residents or anything of

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that sort only the people who are

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already in the anti-vaxxer I kind of

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said all right let's just let them have

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their day do their thing let's not

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counter-protest them that's not hand out

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any information let's not try to accost

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him we don't want to give them any more

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reason to want to come to Monterey

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County and so there's a lot of mom's a

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lot of children and they hung around for

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about an hour and then the media came up

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did an interview with them and then

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after the media came most everybody left

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it was just the van parked there

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overnight but as the media left I went

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over to where they were which is a long

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way away from them because I didn't want

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to talk to the media in front of the

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anti-vaccine oh if you give them

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coverage this is going to be on the

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media and they're gonna get exactly what

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they want and the reporter I talked to

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said she totally understood she said

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that she talked to these people and they

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were not looking for more information

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they thought they were 100% you know

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knew what they knew and so she says

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they're not even sure if they're gonna

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run the coverage because they felt

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uncomfortable with it and they had

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contacted the health department and it

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looks like they did run something a

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couple minutes yeah they do

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you know what there was some media

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reports and you've kindly brought these

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to my attention now folks I'm going to

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read story is covered on ki O n news and

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this includes some sound bites and this

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story comes from the website of ki o n

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546 comm Monterey County by Megan Maya

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published on January the 9th 2020

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parents protest vaccinations in Monterey

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Monterey California

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okay io n Corina powers signed her

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daughters

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named to the side of a large bus in

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Monterrey Thursday it's now one of the

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hundreds of signatures made by parents

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who said their child has been injured or

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died as a result of vaccine you don't

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want your child's name on that bus you

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don't want your child to have an injury

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you don't want to have a death and your

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family from a vaccine injury said powers

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the signature is something powers said

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she was willing to do in order to spread

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the word about the what she calls the

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dark side of vaccines powers said her

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daughter was a perfectly healthy baby

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until receiving a hepatitis B shot

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she wasn't waking up she was very

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lethargic her eyes were rolling back and

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that's when I called my pediatrician and

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I had to run to the to the emergency

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room and once in the nurses room she was

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there in the NICU for seven days said

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powers that would be the last vaccine

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power said her daughter would ever

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receive other parents have also taken

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the pledge not to vaccinate their

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children they're full of toxins and

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they're untested and we're unwilling to

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have our children as the guinea pigs for

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these experiments said parent Agatha

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Kenna as of last year California law

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mandates that children grades K to

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twelve be vaccinated what is known as

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the VAX bus and the families behind it

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want to see that law changed I'm a

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lawyer my husband's a nurse and if these

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mandates don't go away we're leaving the

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state said Kenna the Monterey County

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Health Department said no evidence links

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vaccinations to injury or death

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assistant director of public health

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Kirsti me she says there is evidence the

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show that vaccines the best way doctors

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can prevent diseases in children and

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said Mishi so that was sadly not very

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00:25:42,250 --> 00:25:40,610
critical Susan there was a bit at the

544
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,260
end thank goodness with a bit of reason

545
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,760
but I want to draw your attention to one

546
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:46,400
of the people involved in that story

547
00:25:51,730 --> 00:25:49,490
Agatha Kenner who was quoted in the

548
00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:51,740
story I've also found courtesy of you

549
00:25:56,290 --> 00:25:54,860
another news report another series of

550
00:25:59,320 --> 00:25:56,300
interviews that were there at the time

551
00:26:01,840 --> 00:25:59,330
now let me run this brief clip of Agatha

552
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:01,850
Kay now once again I hope that they get

553
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:03,410
the wild measles I hope they get the

554
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:05,090
wild chicken pox I hope they get every

555
00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:07,730
wild disease disease out there so Susan

556
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:10,160
this is a woman who is using this weird

557
00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:11,930
term which I don't think I've heard

558
00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:13,910
before calling something like wild

559
00:26:20,260 --> 00:26:17,150
measles and wild other diseases and she

560
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:20,270
hopes her children get them now one can

561
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:22,910
only imagine that she either does not

562
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:24,830
watch the news and doesn't know what's

563
00:26:28,030 --> 00:26:26,960
happening in Samoa or has seen it but

564
00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:28,040
just doesn't believe it

565
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:30,500
it's just amazing absolutely amazing

566
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,450
that she would endanger her children in

567
00:26:35,770 --> 00:26:34,400
that way thinking I mean these people

568
00:26:37,270 --> 00:26:35,780
really do believe that they're helping

569
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:37,280
their children out I mean if they had

570
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:40,370
measles and my siblings had measles and

571
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:41,360
we lived to tell the tale

572
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:43,250
but what we don't hear from are those

573
00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:44,930
people who did not live to tell the tale

574
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:47,480
who had the measles it's it's just cruel

575
00:26:51,940 --> 00:26:50,720
it's an it's just it's it's cruel to

576
00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:51,950
your children to do something of this

577
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:54,590
sort but certainly is but listening to

578
00:26:59,080 --> 00:26:56,690
those reports again and hearing what

579
00:27:00,730 --> 00:26:59,090
those women are saying in this situation

580
00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:00,740
it certainly sounds that they've been

581
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:02,870
indoctrinated by the the classic

582
00:27:08,170 --> 00:27:05,600
conspiracy theory anti-vaxxers right the

583
00:27:10,690 --> 00:27:08,180
conspiracy is all in their head so when

584
00:27:13,300 --> 00:27:10,700
I talked to the Monterey County Health

585
00:27:15,010 --> 00:27:13,310
Department they told when I said what

586
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:15,020
should I do you know what should we do

587
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,200
and she said that what their policy is

588
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:20,480
is to pretty much ignore these people

589
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:22,730
and then do the best job they can to get

590
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:25,010
people in Monterey County vaccinated and

591
00:27:29,470 --> 00:27:27,290
to get good information out to the

592
00:27:31,450 --> 00:27:29,480
public because as she said we will not

593
00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:31,460
change these particular people's minds

594
00:27:36,340 --> 00:27:35,180
so that really made me kind of really

595
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,350
focus on the things that we're doing

596
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,440
with gso w the wikipedia project that i

597
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:41,600
run because we do concentrate on

598
00:27:45,210 --> 00:27:43,090
vaccines

599
00:27:47,509 --> 00:27:45,220
we've written I think 30 something pages

600
00:27:51,629 --> 00:27:47,519
concerning just vaccinations including

601
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:51,639
the Samoan outbreak and and different

602
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,860
people involved with that so we can get

603
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:55,360
some really great information out there

604
00:28:00,690 --> 00:27:57,730
to people who are on the fence or people

605
00:28:04,289 --> 00:28:00,700
who really don't haven't heard the anti

606
00:28:06,149 --> 00:28:04,299
Beck's argument yet and I think that's

607
00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:06,159
where we need to concentrate as skeptics

608
00:28:11,249 --> 00:28:08,620
is to refuting their arguments when we

609
00:28:13,169 --> 00:28:11,259
see them online and I'm not talking

610
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:13,179
about the anti-vaxxers arguments those

611
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:15,279
people who are already you know bought

612
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:17,590
the bought the book them drink the

613
00:28:22,169 --> 00:28:19,840
kool-aid or flavor aid but the people

614
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:22,179
who are still kind of like you know I'm

615
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:24,970
I'm pregnant and I'm hearing from mommy

616
00:28:30,239 --> 00:28:26,970
groups that maybe I shouldn't vaccinate

617
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:30,249
I'm really not sure what to do so those

618
00:28:33,779 --> 00:28:31,960
people who are just now learning about

619
00:28:36,330 --> 00:28:33,789
it so don't waste your time with the

620
00:28:38,609 --> 00:28:36,340
people who are already for sure you know

621
00:28:41,249 --> 00:28:38,619
anti-vaccine

622
00:28:44,039 --> 00:28:41,259
let's work on those people who have not

623
00:28:46,169 --> 00:28:44,049
even heard the argument yet or are just

624
00:28:47,879 --> 00:28:46,179
starting to challenge the idea and

625
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:47,889
starting to do Google searches and

626
00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:49,450
that's where we should concentrate our

627
00:28:54,509 --> 00:28:52,600
efforts absolutely now folks I will link

628
00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:54,519
to the two news reports that we being

629
00:28:59,220 --> 00:28:57,580
quoted in this week's show notes Susan

630
00:29:02,190 --> 00:28:59,230
thank you very much for getting out

631
00:29:04,529 --> 00:29:02,200
there being active and keeping an eye on

632
00:29:06,540 --> 00:29:04,539
the situation for the rest of us thank

633
00:29:19,230 --> 00:29:06,550
you Richard

634
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:21,370
Oregonians for science and reason

635
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:24,950
Portland present strange energies and

636
00:29:34,180 --> 00:29:28,610
even stranger devices an evening with

637
00:29:36,610 --> 00:29:34,190
Richard Saunders Monday the 20th of

638
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:36,620
January 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

639
00:29:44,970 --> 00:29:40,640
Alberta Street pub which is at 103 6

640
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:44,980
Northeast Alberta Street Portland Oregon

641
00:29:50,290 --> 00:29:48,050
grab a beer or dinner and join fellow

642
00:29:54,810 --> 00:29:50,300
scientific sceptics for an evening with

643
00:30:01,420 --> 00:29:58,870
can mysterious new-age energies make

644
00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:01,430
your car run better rid your house of

645
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:04,460
rising damp diagnose your illnesses

646
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:06,710
improve your performance on the sporting

647
00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:09,410
field and even make your wine taste

648
00:30:15,550 --> 00:30:12,350
better saunas looks at claims being made

649
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:15,560
in the name of energies unknown to

650
00:30:21,970 --> 00:30:19,970
science now I have to read this bit

651
00:30:24,340 --> 00:30:21,980
because you know it's in the blurb about

652
00:30:26,230 --> 00:30:24,350
Richard Saunders international expert on

653
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:26,240
scientific skepticism Richard Saunders

654
00:30:31,930 --> 00:30:28,730
from Sydney Australia is the host of the

655
00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:31,940
weekly podcast the skeptic zone now in

656
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:34,280
its 12th year he is a documentary

657
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:36,290
filmmaker and one of the stars of the

658
00:30:41,530 --> 00:30:39,140
top rated Australian paranormal TV show

659
00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:41,540
the one the search for Australia's most

660
00:30:46,450 --> 00:30:44,030
gifted psychic I wonder if that will

661
00:30:49,660 --> 00:30:46,460
ever come back he's an origami expert

662
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:49,670
and invented origami Pegasus for James

663
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:51,320
Randi he is the life member of

664
00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:53,390
Australian skeptics Inc a center for

665
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:56,360
skeptical inquiry CSI fellow and was

666
00:31:02,850 --> 00:30:57,530
part of the James Randi Educational

667
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:02,860
Foundation $1,000,000 prize committee

668
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:06,530
that's strange energies and even

669
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:11,050
stranger devices an evening with me

670
00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:14,090
Monday the 20th of January Portland

671
00:31:20,169 --> 00:31:18,440
Oregon at the Albert Street pub and I

672
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:20,179
will add a link in this week's show

673
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:30,980
[Music]

674
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:35,720
here's Maynard spooky action at a

675
00:31:45,150 --> 00:31:42,690
we here at the big dinner the big dinner

676
00:31:49,169 --> 00:31:45,160
for skeptic on that 2090 knob turned up

677
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:49,179
in the Thai silk suit which is a rocking

678
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:50,559
the place really just think of me as

679
00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:52,210
looking like a guy from The Man From

680
00:31:56,220 --> 00:31:55,809
UNCLE either one doesn't matter Napoleon

681
00:32:00,749 --> 00:31:56,230
solo

682
00:32:04,739 --> 00:32:03,039
and Rick Richard allow what normally

683
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:04,749
happens at these things

684
00:32:09,369 --> 00:32:07,820
socializing median reading talking about

685
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:09,379
skeptical issues having a good dinner

686
00:32:12,969 --> 00:32:11,089
and an auction all right

687
00:32:14,649 --> 00:32:12,979
so are you auctioning it off and what's

688
00:32:16,719 --> 00:32:14,659
it for money for skeptics or what oh

689
00:32:18,489 --> 00:32:16,729
absolutely I set up the skeptical cause

690
00:32:20,289 --> 00:32:18,499
and I'm the auctioneer tonight yes now

691
00:32:23,859 --> 00:32:20,299
there's normally some sort of hoo-ha

692
00:32:25,419 --> 00:32:23,869
goes on the bent spoon awards given and

693
00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:25,429
people go oh it should go out of this

694
00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:28,070
person that sort thing goes on every

695
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:29,959
year and now who's giving the bent spoon

696
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:32,690
award this night Joe better Moo oh wow

697
00:32:35,769 --> 00:32:34,369
well I'll make sure I have a chat to her

698
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:35,779
fairly shortly let's get in here and

699
00:32:42,729 --> 00:32:40,719
rather than I know you're all working

700
00:32:45,879 --> 00:32:42,739
around your all wander now we're doing a

701
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:45,889
bit of a neckbeard count here at the

702
00:32:50,859 --> 00:32:47,809
dinner and look only one or two neck

703
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:50,869
beats have turned up the people are

704
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,849
running past us people are pointing at

705
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:54,080
the soup which is what you want really

706
00:32:58,060 --> 00:32:55,690
isn't it Richard it is that

707
00:33:00,339 --> 00:32:58,070
hang on already we're getting critique

708
00:33:02,619 --> 00:33:00,349
we're having evidence-based critique of

709
00:33:04,659 --> 00:33:02,629
my suit who we got here I love your suit

710
00:33:06,129 --> 00:33:04,669
that's what I came out to say it could

711
00:33:08,109 --> 00:33:06,139
be the evidence-based compliment but you

712
00:33:10,299 --> 00:33:08,119
said you've got one like it I had one

713
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:10,309
like it but it was green and brown it

714
00:33:13,060 --> 00:33:11,089
was the 80s

715
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:13,070
oh yes and I've long since got rid of it

716
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:15,289
but on you it looks good you said you

717
00:33:19,479 --> 00:33:16,609
got that so you say it was at North

718
00:33:21,070 --> 00:33:19,489
Vietnamese soup you had yes yes but it

719
00:33:22,749 --> 00:33:21,080
was from a store called Thai silk oh

720
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:22,759
okay yeah well it's booked there get

721
00:33:27,369 --> 00:33:25,039
shocked oh so cool actually look this is

722
00:33:29,709 --> 00:33:27,379
this I bought a tie with this material

723
00:33:31,089 --> 00:33:29,719
and I rang the Thai company I said where

724
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:31,099
can I get that and I had to actually

725
00:33:36,249 --> 00:33:33,200
made AB time material yes it doesn't sit

726
00:33:38,499 --> 00:33:36,259
that well just out of interest my two

727
00:33:41,490 --> 00:33:38,509
favorite GPS in Australia are here

728
00:33:43,410 --> 00:33:41,500
tonight that's dr. Brad mark I and my

729
00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:43,420
Melbourne practitioners here as well

730
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:45,640
he's doing some hosting I'm excited it's

731
00:33:51,690 --> 00:33:48,310
not often you get the two best GPS in

732
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:51,700
Australia in the same room as I said my

733
00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:53,650
two favorite GPS are here tonight in

734
00:33:56,940 --> 00:33:55,180
Australia this is one of them now who've

735
00:33:58,140 --> 00:33:56,950
we got I thank God you you mean to me

736
00:33:59,490 --> 00:33:58,150
dr. B I'm Shana

737
00:34:01,890 --> 00:33:59,500
Oh cuz there's you and there's dr. bread

738
00:34:02,970 --> 00:34:01,900
the only GPS I want to talk to in fact

739
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:02,980
I'd rather go to you guys and

740
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:05,170
specialists what that's a compliment oh

741
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:07,090
it should be indeed how's things going

742
00:34:10,110 --> 00:34:08,649
are you very nervous about have you been

743
00:34:11,850 --> 00:34:10,120
taking some beta blockers before you go

744
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:11,860
on stage here tonight totally overloaded

745
00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:14,590
my heart rates about 20 so as long as

746
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:15,820
there's no big steps to get up on the

747
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:17,169
stage I should be fine we've done this

748
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:18,399
kind of stuff before like you've

749
00:34:22,980 --> 00:34:20,649
obviously done skeptical hosting before

750
00:34:25,110 --> 00:34:22,990
hosting actually not and some how about

751
00:34:26,669 --> 00:34:25,120
a good hour 14 hours notice before doing

752
00:34:28,730 --> 00:34:26,679
this but it's good it's my crowded see

753
00:34:31,020 --> 00:34:28,740
the people lovely it should go up I

754
00:34:32,970 --> 00:34:31,030
thought it was great that by day you're

755
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:32,980
a GP knows but by night you a Batman I

756
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:35,290
think gonna say Batman I wish I wish

757
00:34:39,450 --> 00:34:37,060
don't have the other bank account what

758
00:34:42,090 --> 00:34:39,460
the physique look a 16 year old magician

759
00:34:43,830 --> 00:34:42,100
she was great she's good she kicks butt

760
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:43,840
on I've been such a fan of her do you

761
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:45,370
know what I'm gonna take you back to at

762
00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:46,899
least a couple of years ago when we met

763
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,820
a skeptic on and you asked me why don't

764
00:34:53,129 --> 00:34:51,040
we see more female magicians and I told

765
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:53,139
you actually Melbourne where do a good

766
00:34:56,610 --> 00:34:54,520
job at training up young female

767
00:35:00,840 --> 00:34:56,620
magicians and I mentioned Bruce by name

768
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:00,850
and this is Prue and she is striking

769
00:35:04,890 --> 00:35:02,650
fear into the hearts of all magicians

770
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:04,900
young and old and whatever gender

771
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:06,730
because she's punching above her white

772
00:35:11,220 --> 00:35:09,070
she's doing marriage jokes and key

773
00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:11,230
jokes and stuff that a 16 year old yeah

774
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:13,540
it's it's material beyond her years and

775
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,300
and also we look at her it makes us go

776
00:35:19,410 --> 00:35:17,680
geez we can't be slight there's like a

777
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,420
room for combines e-everyone get better

778
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:22,000
all ships rise over there as a tire does

779
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:26,170
so yeah I'll just wait till she's

780
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,490
finished doing her thing but yes yeah

781
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:29,440
she'd call me pervert but I think that's

782
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:30,820
a good part of the Act you should at

783
00:35:34,410 --> 00:35:32,170
least call a few people in the audience

784
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,420
you should try that one hi I don't think

785
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:36,400
it worked for me I know no one's

786
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:39,090
checking me out you believe me

787
00:35:42,750 --> 00:35:41,620
now you brew my name's may not I'm doing

788
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:42,760
this for the skeptic zone which is

789
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,760
Richards show that you had on stage now

790
00:35:49,620 --> 00:35:47,680
how long you been doing magic for I've

791
00:35:51,210 --> 00:35:49,630
been doing magic for about three years

792
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:51,220
I've always done it all my life but

793
00:35:55,410 --> 00:35:53,650
seriously for three years and why did

794
00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:55,420
you pick it up did you have an uncle or

795
00:35:58,860 --> 00:35:57,070
an aunt or a mum who is doing it new and

796
00:36:00,990 --> 00:35:58,870
hang on a minute I didn't have a

797
00:36:03,090 --> 00:36:01,000
magician family member however my dad

798
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:03,100
always did the classic fun disappearing

799
00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:04,840
act even though he wasn't the magician

800
00:36:09,150 --> 00:36:07,360
that works on people hey exactly and I

801
00:36:10,740 --> 00:36:09,160
think I took that trick a bit too far

802
00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:10,750
and thought I'd be doing that and now

803
00:36:15,780 --> 00:36:12,760
I'm here thing that got me is you were

804
00:36:17,490 --> 00:36:15,790
doing jokes and a presentation behind

805
00:36:19,350 --> 00:36:17,500
your age that's great you know thank you

806
00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:19,360
very much thank you doing marriage jokes

807
00:36:22,890 --> 00:36:21,250
you're doing you've given Mikey kind of

808
00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:22,900
things and it's quite funny

809
00:36:27,810 --> 00:36:26,350
you said you won a contest overall where

810
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:27,820
there was a whole range of people

811
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:29,410
what sort of Ages were the people you're

812
00:36:34,170 --> 00:36:31,450
competing against here in Melbourne well

813
00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:34,180
in Auburn there was a junior competition

814
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:38,080
which was between ages about 0 to 18 and

815
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:40,210
then the one I won that was all ages was

816
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,090
in New Zealand and that was a parlor

817
00:36:46,500 --> 00:36:44,800
competition at the New Zealand magic

818
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:46,510
convention and there was a junior

819
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:48,130
competition I was entered in but no

820
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:49,930
other juniors entered so I was the only

821
00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:52,690
person so I won that by default but when

822
00:36:56,670 --> 00:36:55,060
the judges noticed their score sheets

823
00:36:58,740 --> 00:36:56,680
they notice that the adult pilot

824
00:37:00,210 --> 00:36:58,750
competition competitors actually had a

825
00:37:01,740 --> 00:37:00,220
lot more school than me so then I

826
00:37:04,260 --> 00:37:01,750
actually ended up winning the overall

827
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:04,270
parlor competition so it's kind of funny

828
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:07,090
story congratulations yeah and look and

829
00:37:10,830 --> 00:37:09,280
look you're firing on all night I like

830
00:37:12,510 --> 00:37:10,840
the little flourish of the confetti and

831
00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:12,520
that sort of thing that that's a touch

832
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,620
of Tommy Cooper but who is your favorite

833
00:37:19,170 --> 00:37:16,960
magicians I'm a Penn & Teller fan

834
00:37:20,670 --> 00:37:19,180
because they show the trick and you know

835
00:37:22,530 --> 00:37:20,680
why's that even if they show you the

836
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:22,540
trick who are your favorites oh that is

837
00:37:26,700 --> 00:37:24,430
a good question I have so many favorites

838
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:26,710
I can't choose one exactly but I do like

839
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,360
Penn & Teller and there are a lot of

840
00:37:32,220 --> 00:37:30,400
magicians that aren't quite famous but

841
00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:32,230
really well-known in a magic music quite

842
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,270
inspirational to me to name one is

843
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:36,640
Carissa Hendricks and she's one of my

844
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:38,200
favorite magicians

845
00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:40,570
yes what about from the past are there

846
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:43,000
any old school ones that like is it Doug

847
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Hennings or people like that or or maybe

848
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,810
the amazing Randi people like that was

849
00:37:50,490 --> 00:37:48,400
an escape father just any older ones

850
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:50,500
that you look to yeah that's a Houdini

851
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:52,390
obviously with a bigger duration he

852
00:37:57,210 --> 00:37:55,030
obviously was such a great influence in

853
00:37:59,790 --> 00:37:57,220
magic community and so he was definitely

854
00:38:01,589 --> 00:37:59,800
one of their big inspirations I can't

855
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:01,599
think of the name of this person but she

856
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:03,130
was a lady who was one of the best

857
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:07,690
female magicians and her at all maybe

858
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:09,910
maybe I can't quite remember it yes

859
00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:11,530
because I was actually wondering where

860
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:13,359
the women were in magicus you don't see

861
00:38:16,319 --> 00:38:14,560
them all that often you might see them

862
00:38:18,569 --> 00:38:16,329
on English television of the u.s. I

863
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:18,579
guess you like that Penn & Teller show

864
00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:20,170
where the magicians go on and compete

865
00:38:23,819 --> 00:38:22,180
yes definitely it's great to see

866
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,829
different women go on that show and

867
00:38:28,109 --> 00:38:25,500
different women not on that show to just

868
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:28,119
women I feel are emerging in magic which

869
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:30,040
is such an exciting time and I'm so glad

870
00:38:33,660 --> 00:38:32,170
to be part of that movement it's so

871
00:38:36,510 --> 00:38:33,670
exciting to have someone so together

872
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,520
your age now eventually I mean Penn &

873
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,839
Teller and many magicians have the

874
00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:40,240
bullet catch as their big trick have you

875
00:38:44,190 --> 00:38:42,310
got any idea what kind of trick you

876
00:38:46,650 --> 00:38:44,200
might like to do down the line as a show

877
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:46,660
close or where people go wow that prove

878
00:38:51,059 --> 00:38:48,730
any idea what you'd like to do an escape

879
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,069
ology thing a bullet catch kind of thing

880
00:38:55,319 --> 00:38:53,680
a card conundrum what do you think well

881
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:55,329
that's a great question I'm not entirely

882
00:38:59,790 --> 00:38:56,920
sure but definitely something to do with

883
00:39:02,370 --> 00:38:59,800
comedy yes you could see in my comedy is

884
00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:02,380
a big part so yeah I guess anything that

885
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:04,150
really makes the audience laugh whilst

886
00:39:06,809 --> 00:39:05,710
captures their attention it's definitely

887
00:39:09,329 --> 00:39:06,819
something I've been interested in

888
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:09,339
developing and of course um misdirection

889
00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:11,770
is a big thing in magic and if you're

890
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:13,720
doing comedy stuff that gives you an

891
00:39:18,059 --> 00:39:15,490
extra edge with the misdirection does it

892
00:39:19,890 --> 00:39:18,069
exactly yes if comedy it takes them away

893
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:19,900
from some of the secret things I'm doing

894
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:21,730
that that's definitely helpful and also

895
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:23,290
it gives the audience members a good

896
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:24,880
time which is what I'm all about

897
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:26,890
now as a female magician does that give

898
00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:28,810
you an advantage in any way like you can

899
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:30,280
have clothing that's got stuff hidden

900
00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:32,290
away that a male magician can't have is

901
00:39:35,069 --> 00:39:33,670
there any particular advantage for being

902
00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:35,079
a female magician I think

903
00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:36,969
the main advantage is it makes me really

904
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,369
unique so a lot of people say oh I don't

905
00:39:42,749 --> 00:39:41,200
usually see a female magician so that

906
00:39:44,699 --> 00:39:42,759
makes me stare down the crowd and

907
00:39:46,499 --> 00:39:44,709
especially being young young through

908
00:39:48,180 --> 00:39:46,509
that that's another thing so a young

909
00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:48,190
female magician I definitely think that

910
00:39:52,229 --> 00:39:50,680
is a quality that makes me your name I

911
00:39:53,849 --> 00:39:52,239
think you would you're great tonight is

912
00:39:55,259 --> 00:39:53,859
it anywhere online you're doing stuff

913
00:39:57,209 --> 00:39:55,269
here you've got a blog going or anything

914
00:39:59,099 --> 00:39:57,219
like that good I don't have a blog but I

915
00:40:01,229 --> 00:39:59,109
do have a YouTube channel where I post

916
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:01,239
some of my performances my Instagram

917
00:40:05,579 --> 00:40:03,729
page is my main social media so you can

918
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,589
find me at per Spencer magician on

919
00:40:10,349 --> 00:40:07,839
Instagram Wow and how often do you get a

920
00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:10,359
booking by the way a lot of the time I'm

921
00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:11,950
very very lucky yeah that's a great

922
00:40:16,799 --> 00:40:14,380
magic community in Melbourne so that is

923
00:40:18,209 --> 00:40:16,809
such a good outlet for me to go and they

924
00:40:19,969 --> 00:40:18,219
give me a lot of opportunities to

925
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:19,979
perform so I'm very grateful for the

926
00:40:23,999 --> 00:40:22,150
Australian Institute of magic that's

927
00:40:25,799 --> 00:40:24,009
where a lot of the gigs come from so

928
00:40:27,209 --> 00:40:25,809
thank amazing well remember what you

929
00:40:28,289 --> 00:40:27,219
heard of first people because I don't

930
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,299
think it'll be the last time we're gonna

931
00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:29,680
hear from you lovely they make you proof

932
00:40:34,829 --> 00:40:33,670
lovely meet you too no Richard you

933
00:40:36,329 --> 00:40:34,839
actually the magician's assistant

934
00:40:38,009 --> 00:40:36,339
they're on stage for a while for

935
00:40:40,289 --> 00:40:38,019
prudence and you look a bit nervous for

936
00:40:43,380 --> 00:40:40,299
a while well it's because you know how

937
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:43,390
this kind of stuffs done so well yes but

938
00:40:48,059 --> 00:40:45,400
what she did I had no idea she was

939
00:40:49,650 --> 00:40:48,069
brilliant really great and she had the

940
00:40:51,390 --> 00:40:49,660
crowd in the palm of their hand she was

941
00:40:53,489 --> 00:40:51,400
great look and a lot of magicians turned

942
00:40:56,219 --> 00:40:53,499
out to be skeptics too don't they yes

943
00:40:58,559 --> 00:40:56,229
James Randi and the man to name that but

944
00:40:59,069 --> 00:40:58,569
one and Banacek and so on now and she

945
00:41:03,120 --> 00:40:59,079
was terrific

946
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:03,130
she's good human she had me she had me

947
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:04,910
she really did yeah

948
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:10,970
I use 1/4 conversation so we all know

949
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:12,590
that the skeptics guy to the universe

950
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:16,310
changes people's lives and richard i

951
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:18,050
want you to hear this particular story

952
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:19,490
about how you've changed someone up

953
00:41:23,050 --> 00:41:21,380
someone's life in a really positive

954
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:23,060
direction so i'm putting you both on

955
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:25,490
this on the on the spot so i just want

956
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:28,010
you to tell what you told me and who

957
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:29,720
have we got here - we've got Sarah Webb

958
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,490
who's one of our Gold Coast skeptics our

959
00:41:35,110 --> 00:41:33,440
members and I just found this story

960
00:41:37,390 --> 00:41:35,120
really quite nice and I think Richard

961
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:37,400
would like to hear it well I said listen

962
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:40,400
to a lot of podcasts and I said to be a

963
00:41:45,970 --> 00:41:43,310
biotechnology and then I was working in

964
00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:45,980
a psychic some got quite voyage so I

965
00:41:51,130 --> 00:41:48,620
emailed out a few people and Richard was

966
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:51,140
one of the people I emailed asking about

967
00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:52,670
what I wanted to do now is kind of

968
00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:54,320
assume between being a teacher or going

969
00:41:58,270 --> 00:41:56,510
into science education and you pointed

970
00:42:01,390 --> 00:41:58,280
me to become a teacher so now I'm a

971
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,400
science and math teacher about that

972
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:03,440
Richard there's no words that's

973
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:06,890
fantastic Wow didn't become a cabaret

974
00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:13,010
performer that wasn't on their education

975
00:42:17,770 --> 00:42:14,860
or don't become high school and you like

976
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:17,780
being a having an insight into education

977
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:19,730
is the best way to go so that's four oh

978
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:22,340
we're just thrilled to hear that thank

979
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:24,710
you Wow and congratulations suit did you

980
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:31,130
manage to get a high distinction Wow how

981
00:42:34,810 --> 00:42:33,230
about that Jack sure you've got some you

982
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:34,820
know old podcasts but people don't ask

983
00:42:46,050 --> 00:42:37,010
you for career advising or do that eh

984
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:47,880
Thank You Richie booze ain't good as a

985
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:50,170
magician's assistant oh yeah you were

986
00:42:54,090 --> 00:42:52,270
the perfect magician's assistant may not

987
00:42:55,350 --> 00:42:54,100
I was going okay until he wanted me to

988
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,360
punch buttons I thought I better get my

989
00:42:59,100 --> 00:42:57,040
glasses on to make sure I don't miss one

990
00:43:02,130 --> 00:42:59,110
you didn't miss and that's the thing and

991
00:43:04,410 --> 00:43:02,140
the payoff was brilliant absolutely the

992
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:04,420
gasps of the audience when they realized

993
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,000
what the what he'd done everyone around

994
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:09,040
me was going no and applauded it was

995
00:43:12,660 --> 00:43:10,690
amazing I was just talking to him about

996
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:12,670
being a doctor of GP having a medical

997
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:14,650
background and what it's like to feel

998
00:43:18,780 --> 00:43:16,150
like onstage and I suggested he should

999
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:18,790
do a an EKG or maybe do a blood sample

1000
00:43:22,140 --> 00:43:21,010
before he performs and after he performs

1001
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:22,150
and see if there's anything different

1002
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:25,270
there I mean at the very least you'd be

1003
00:43:28,500 --> 00:43:26,560
able to measure some sort of level of

1004
00:43:30,660 --> 00:43:28,510
adrenaline yeah

1005
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:30,670
and right now I'm gonna measure my blood

1006
00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:32,350
sugar because look at this may not

1007
00:43:45,339 --> 00:43:34,300
sticky date pudding so we'll chat later

1008
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:48,680
Alaura ciao mi chiamo profesora de vo

1009
00:43:54,140 --> 00:43:50,670
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1010
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:54,150
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Perugia astronomia Mathematica atonte

1012
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:01,079
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00:44:04,549 --> 00:44:02,700
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1014
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:04,559
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1015
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:06,270
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00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:08,010
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00:44:13,339 --> 00:44:09,930
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00:44:16,069 --> 00:44:13,349
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00:44:23,710 --> 00:44:17,760
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00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:25,010
[Applause]

1022
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:39,090
thank you for listening to the skeptics

1023
00:44:44,610 --> 00:44:41,910
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00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:44,620
Mia's gone to my attention that there is

1025
00:44:49,860 --> 00:44:47,410
a social barbecue coming up for the

1026
00:44:52,910 --> 00:44:49,870
Canberra skeptics and this will be

1027
00:44:55,980 --> 00:44:52,920
happening on January the 19th at midday

1028
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:55,990
Canberra skeptics is excited to look

1029
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,330
forward to 2020 and we can't wait to

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00:45:02,820 --> 00:45:00,180
bring you some great events this year

1031
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:02,830
we'll be starting as always with our

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00:45:08,010 --> 00:45:06,160
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00:45:09,930 --> 00:45:08,020
invites you to come and enjoy a barbecue

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00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:09,940
and games with your fellow skeptics

1035
00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:12,370
there are picnic tables available but

1036
00:45:16,830 --> 00:45:14,260
feel free to bring camp chairs or

1037
00:45:19,050 --> 00:45:16,840
blankets this is a barbecue event so

1038
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,060
don't forget sausages and drinks and

1039
00:45:25,530 --> 00:45:21,040
that will be at the barbecues outside

1040
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:25,540
Questacon and there is a note here to to

1041
00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:27,430
make sure that if you're going along to

1042
00:45:33,570 --> 00:45:30,940
check out the social media in case of

1043
00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:33,580
the smoke or the fire situation by

1044
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:35,470
resulting in an alteration to those

1045
00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:37,810
plans but anyway if you're in Canberra

1046
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:39,400
you might want to check that out links

1047
00:45:44,940 --> 00:45:42,070
in this week's show note also if there's

1048
00:45:46,890 --> 00:45:44,950
a big gap on your wall and you need to

1049
00:45:50,430 --> 00:45:46,900
fill it with a calendar go to meinen

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00:45:53,910 --> 00:45:50,440
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00:45:56,850 --> 00:45:53,920
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1052
00:45:59,040 --> 00:45:56,860
me none but for this week this is

1053
00:46:06,120 --> 00:45:59,050
Richard Saunders signing off from the

1054
00:46:08,190 --> 00:46:06,130
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00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:08,200
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1067
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1070
00:47:01,630 --> 00:46:59,710
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1071
00:47:04,500 --> 00:47:01,640
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1073
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:07,250
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1074
00:47:11,020 --> 00:47:09,530
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1075
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1076
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time but sometimes I roll a 10-sided

1077
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:16,480
dice die whatever you want to call it

1078
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:20,090
language is flexible after all and you

1079
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:22,250
get to use your predicting power or your

1080
00:47:29,170 --> 00:47:25,490
powers of dumb luck to see if you can

1081
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:29,180
guess the number that comes up three

1082
00:47:36,010 --> 00:47:31,490
times are you ready I'm gonna roll it

1083
00:47:39,940 --> 00:47:36,020
once the first time here we go the first

1084
00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:39,950
number that come up today is one seems

1085
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:42,440
appropriate really ok here we go again

1086
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:45,590
next up are you guessing fell off the

1087
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:48,500
table why does it always do that this is

1088
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:50,060
ridiculous I must use a different table

1089
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:51,290
stop

1090
00:47:58,930 --> 00:47:54,610
Oh number one again

1091
00:48:00,970 --> 00:47:58,940
how about that one and one there's a

1092
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:00,980
song about that so okay last time here

1093
00:48:10,930 --> 00:48:05,140
we go I don't believe it